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chelseagirl
You are Alice
The heroine of the Wonderland tales, you are filled
with curiosity and random inquiry.
What Alice in Wonderland Character Are You?
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Couldn't resist this one! Really off to the library now . . .
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Date: 2004-10-08 07:46 am (UTC)I actually thought I might be the March Hare....
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Date: 2004-10-08 09:23 am (UTC)Not sure how successful I was -- some of them I could ID without trying -- but I did try.
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Date: 2004-10-09 03:39 pm (UTC)Avon on Wonderworld,
Date: 2004-10-09 04:38 pm (UTC)Adapt the poems and assorted scenes to Forever Knight fanfic, then adapt both novels, wholesale, to Blake's 7 fanfic, with Avon as Alice. They work almost too well. I mean, it's EERIE how well they work as B7 fanfic, with all the death references.
But along the way, you find you've pretty much memorized the damned novels.
Re: Avon on Wonderworld,
Date: 2004-10-10 06:58 am (UTC)Re: Avon on Wonderworld,
Date: 2004-10-10 07:28 am (UTC)I tend to agree that movie makers often try to make her wimpy, and thus more acceptible to an audience that values that sort of "girlish" behaviour in little girls. I don't think Svankmeijer wimpified her. The last thing you see is Alice with a pair of scissors in hand, waiting for the White Rabbit's return. ::shiver::
Re: Avon on Wonderworld,
Date: 2004-10-11 07:05 am (UTC)There was such a divide in my class on the Svankmeijer film -- half of the students (mostly engineers) were baffled, the other half (mostly artists and architects) loved it to bits. It makes an interesting pairing with that very slooow BBC version with all the cool 60s actors -- Svankmeijer has the visuals and the spirit, while the other pays real tribute to Carroll's language. Both interesting interpretations, and films that none of them grew up with.
Re: Avon on Wonderworld, the Everett-Cat
Date: 2004-10-11 02:45 pm (UTC)I think Americans grew up thinking of Disney as their definitive"Alice". Which saddens me, as I have problems with that movie on so many levels. But then, much as I love the Svankmeijer film, it's not any sort of definitive Alice either, nor is the BBC one... is it just me, or is there something wrong with the sound quality of that movie? No one's done a definitive Alice yet, to my mind, not the way there's a definitive Wizard of Oz.
Re: Avon on Wonderworld, the Everett-Cat
Date: 2004-10-11 07:13 pm (UTC)Quite a few of my students knew Disney's Alice better or exclusively when they started the class. I had converted them all by the time it ended, though, even the girl who thought book-Alice was psychotic. ;-)
I wonder if a definitive Alice film is even do-able. It's as though each version gets some facet right, and of course some are better films than others, but it almost seems uncapturable in its entirely. Which just makes the comparative viewing that much more interesting. I have to order a couple more versions before I do the class again this spring.
Re: Avon on Wonderworld, the Everett-Cat
Date: 2004-10-12 07:32 am (UTC)I like a lot of the NBC miniseries version, but think they failed in the end. I think we've had a nice discussion or two about this?
I also wanna see a definitive Good Omens movie, and I think we got close when Gilliam showed an interest. Pity he lost the rights to it and had to back out.
Re: Avon on Wonderworld, the Everett-Cat
Date: 2004-10-14 04:56 pm (UTC)It's actually more fun from a teaching viewpoint that there are all these different interpretations and, once I've convinced them that the Disney *isn't* definitive, seeing all the various ways of envisioning, scripting, casting (the age variation among Alices for one thing.)
Re: Avon on Wonderworld, the Everett-Cat
Date: 2004-10-15 12:05 pm (UTC)I had problems with the NBC version, but I don't recall having that particular problem! But looking back, I can totally see where someone might get thrown out of the movie that way... Have you had a chance to see the 1930's B&W version of Alice, with the voice of Cary Grant as the Cheshire Cat and WC Fields as Humpty Dumpty (you can see his face superimposed over the puppet), and if yes, did you have a celeb problem with it? Mostly I have a problem with the 30 year old Vegas showgirl who was probably sleeping with the producer who played Alice. I did find myself playing "Guess the Celeb", some of them were even more iconic celebrities than the ones in the 1970s British version! Flora Robeson as the Red Queen was perfect casting but was not quite famous enough to throw you out of the movie. And you have to admit, Fields is something of a "gimmee" for the role of Humpty Dumpty, even if you do boggle for a second that it's him! If you need a copy of this movie, I'm not sure I still have a legible copy, but I could look around.
And now I am wondering if it was a problem for anyone in the 1939 audience when Bert Lahr played the Cowardly Lion. Lahr played the Lion like every character he ever played in the Catskills doing his standup routine and on the radio, which is where he was most famous. Of course, today, all we have left of Lahr's schtick is what we see in The Wizard of Oz, so that's "our" Cowardly Lion.
Re: Avon on Wonderworld, the Everett-Cat
Date: 2004-10-15 01:26 pm (UTC)I never thought about that about Bert Lahr, but you're right. How interesting that his schtick is only known to us now because of . . .
Of course even Judy Garland is a lot older than the little girl in Denslow's illustrations. But of course her being able to act, and sing, and all that . . .
Re: Avon on Wonderworld, the Everett-Cat
Date: 2004-10-15 01:27 pm (UTC)Re: Avon on Wonderworld, the Everett-Cat
Date: 2004-10-15 05:02 pm (UTC)HOWEVER, if you do a search on eBay for Alice Wonderland Cooper and then click on "VHS", you will find several VHS tapes of this particular movie (it hasn't made it to DVD yet)... I forgot that Gary Cooper played the White Knight in the film, but he did, and his name makes an excellent search word. But good God, I hate it when they mix up the two books in a film!! There's no White Knight in Alice in Wonderland, dammit! Though to tell you the truth, I seem to remember he did a nice job of playing the elderly, forgetful, but very sweet White Knight.
At any rate, the cheapest I could find it on eBay was $9.99. I'm waiting (no doubt in vain) for the DVD before I purchase this film.
I think the reason you get so many damned appearances of "Big Stars" in every Alice movie made so far is that except for Alice, each character gets only a few moments on screen, thus begging for a Famous Cameo Appearance. An actor can't really build a whole character in the 4 seconds whatever he's playing is on the screen, so you generally get these shallow cameo performances, ususally "smug" as you pointed out. *sigh* At least Bert Lahr got to use his tired standup comedian schtick to build a whole, entire character we now know and love over the course of the movie, y'know?
Re: Avon on Wonderworld, the Everett-Cat
Date: 2004-10-16 07:07 am (UTC)Sad, innit? But safer that way -- keeps me away from temptation.
My current vcr doesn't tape at 4 hour speed but it still plays the few tapes I've got left that are that speed. I liked 4 hour -- a compromise between quality and storage space that kinda worked -- and of course it would be perfect for, say, Farscape: The Peacekeeper Wars. (Talk about mixed genres, I'm gonna end up with Farscape and the Office Special on the same tape . . . )
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